Murder-for-hire sounds like the name of a new ABC drama, right? Except that in the real world, people actually do try to hire assassins.
But those plans are often foiled by law enforcement agents working undercover.
It's a high stakes world of secrecy that rarely opens up to the public.
From the outside, they must have looked like an average couple just having a chat inside a vehicle.
"This is where we met."
But there was nothing average about the conversation taking place inside.
"It's where she solicited me to kill someone."
His name is Loyd Cobb, but for years, his name was a secret.
"The best plan you can have when you're working undercover, is to forget you are a police officer," he said.
More specifically, he was an agent with the ATF. His scrapbook from the 70' and 80's, filled with victories over an underworld of violence. None more alluring than when he played the role of a hired killer.
"Are you sure you want to do this? Is there a particular way you want it done? Do you want them to feel it? Do you want them to know what hit 'em?"
All questions he asked a 20 year-old woman back near the council house in Okmulgee.
"Do you understand what's going to happen?" he said.
The motive? Jealousy. She wanted her competition out of the picture.
"To kill another girl that was, I guess, messing with her man," he said.
As soon as money changed hands, she was under arrest.
"I believe that she would not do it herself, maybe for fear of being caught, or not wanting to do it, but had no reservations about having someone else to do it," he said.
Also without reservation? The two men who wanted to meet Loyd out in the country with an equally devious job proposition.
"They wanted them killed, two district judges for Cherokee county," he said.
They were Orville Russell and Grover Monholland, who apparently felt some judges had been unfair to them.
"One of the judges had ruled against one of the defendants in some land cases I believe," said Cobb.
Their request? Use explosives to get the job done. Mr. Cobb made sure he heard them right.
"You really want them to die? Do you really want them to get blown up? They were very adamant about it, I believe you've read some of the transcripts," said Cobb.
Newspaper clippings related the transcripts from the wire her was wearing. Cobb asks for a down payment, "That way that'll, that'll show me that you all are plenty serious." Monholland replied, "I'm dead ----- serious. That's nothing to be ----- around with unless you are serious."
Both men were found guilty. But the story doesn't end there. After serving ten years, when one of the men got out he wanted revenge on Mr. Cobb.
"He attempted to acquire a weapon to either come back and kill the informant and/or kill me," he said.
But as luck would have it, he was trying to buy that gun from another undercover agent.
"He's back in jail. He's, I believe he is in Federal custody now," he said.
He's been retired from the ATF for decades, and these days, he's a private eye, with one eye fondly glancing back at the past.
Do you miss it? "Yes, yes very much," he said.
And should the ATF ever again need the services of a cool under pressure, steel-eyed, would-be killer. Loyd Cobb is ready to answer the call.
"I always ask if there's something that I can do to help, but they have it well in hand," he said.